Re: 赤脚医生大跃进，都是发动群众的延伸

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My arguments against Hairi, whose posting is at History board of Mitbbs.com.
http://mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=History&gid=31526385&ftype=0


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(1) To paragraph Mr. James Soong 宋楚瑜, you are CCP's 化妝師.

Rather, your argument misfires, and turns out to be an indictment against
CCP.

The Great Leap Forward flopped totally, causing 20 million Chinese to die of
famine in the absence of natural calamity.

In contrast, in the past decade China has emerged as the largest steel
producer of the world, accounting for about half of global output without
Mao's brutality. (Of course, quantity is not the same as quality. China
still cannnot make key engines, such as those for airplane, helicopter and
so on).

(2) You are also WRONG when saying, "到了38年全国年产钢5万吨，日本500万，怎
么打仗？"

You offer no evidence whatsoever.

(a) It apparently you lump Anshan into JAPAN.

Toshiro MATSUMOTO, Continuity and Discontinuity from 1930-40s to 1950s in
northeast China; `Miraculous' Rehabilitation of the Anshan Iron & Steel
Company immediately after the Chinese Civil War. XIII Congress of the
International Economic History Association (IEHA), Buenos Aires, Argentina,
July 22-26, 2002
http://eh.net/XIIICongress/cd/programme-papers3.htm
(Table 1 The Output of Anshan Iron and Steel Company: unit: 10,000 tons;
1943; Pig Iron 130.80, Steel Ingot 84.30, Rolled Steel 26.50)

)


(b) Even excluding Anshan (which is located at Manchuria),[1] China in the
1930 made 0.4 million tonnes, rather than 0.05 you alleged.

[1] Please take to heart a lesson CCP taught:
Friends, or Else; Living with China’s rise will test America’s diplomacy
as never before. Economist, Dec. 2, 2010.
http://www.economist.com/node/17601453?story_id=17601453
("If the two Koreas share the world’s scariest land border, the Taiwan
Strait is its scariest sea passage. China’s insistence on reunification is
absolute. The story is told of how, a few years back, the editor of a
Shanghainese newspaper celebrated a new semiconductor factory in the city as
the biggest in China. Because he had forgotten about Taiwan, he had to
offer self-criticism and take a pay cut.")


Donald B Wagner, The traditional Chinese iron industry and its modern fate.
Nordic Institute of Asian Studies (Copenhagen) and Curzon Press Ltd (London)
, 1997.
http://www.staff.hum.ku.dk/dbwagner/Fate/Fate.html

Quote from Preface by Peter Nolan:

"Iron was a relatively late introduction to China, with a true Iron Age
beginning around the sixth century BC, long after the Iron Age of the West [
but China caught up,maybe by learning through Silk Road] steel production
did not lag behind that of iron. By the sixth century AD China was producing
steel [2]

"In Don's judgement China had `the world's largest and most efficient iron
industry' until around 1700, but after that point an `extraordinary sequence
of technical improvements' brought down the price of iron dramatically and
was a leading factor in the British Industrial Revolution.

"By the 1930s China's steel output was only a small fraction of that of the
world's leading steel producers. In 1936 China produced just 0.4 million
tons, compared to over four million tons in Russia, over seven million tons
in France and 27 million tons in Germany. It was at about the same level as
a small European economy such as Austria.

"By the early 1990s China had surpassed the USA to become the world's second
largest producer and was poised to overtake Japan as the leading producer.
However, China's per capita steel output was [and still is] still only a
tiny fraction of that of the advanced economies.

[2] Maybe the emphasis is placed on "true." See

History of ferrous metallurgy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ferrous_metallurgy
(section 3.4 China)


(3) You ask rhetoridcally, "怎么打仗？"

(a) Well, the 13 colonies fought the wealthiest nation and one of largest
military power (France was deemed first among equals) at the time--and won.


See the quote in my posting of today at Literature board:

Robert Morris
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Literature/31219681.html

The thirteen colonies had France.

China before and during World War II had US (yes, the US you  guys hate). US
Congress enacted
Neutrality Acts of 1930s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_Acts_of_1930s
, Pres. Roosevelt (FDR) ignored it and shipped arms to China (under Chinag
Kai-shek), vexing Japan in the process.


(4) In any event, China at the time made poor-quality copies of western
weapons.

(a) Chiang Kai-shek rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek_rifle
(known in Chinese as 中正式 or 二四式; photos showed both Chinese soldiers
and CCP rebels were using it)

(b) Robert WD Ball, Mauser; Military rifles of the world (4th ed). Gun
Digest Books, 2006 (section heading "China" started at p. 84).
http://books.google.com/books?id=KlReVu0HziIC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=china+1930+rifle&source=bl&ots=viSDzoGbm6&sig=POimAwPeI0lNZIvluySfGA_nq8M&hl=en&ei=TPoDTZKxKsL68Ab90qTnAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=china%201930%20r
("Copied from FN Model 1930, the Chinese-produced "Type 21" Rifle was a
reliable, albeit crude manufactured at Kwantung Arsenal between 1932 and
1937 for use by the Kuomingtang, or North China Army." p. 84)



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