中国每年的矿难死亡人数

posteriori

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之前我转过一个bbc的报道，说是去年9万多，不到十万因此算是放了卫星。今天bbc上另一则新闻，里面引用的08年矿难死亡人数又变成了3千多。回头去找原来那个报道，发现已经被修改了，10万卫星这个事情没了。另外加了一句：

‘An earlier report on state media quoted an inaccurate figure of 91,172 deaths in coal mining accidents in 2008.’

这个意思显然是说之前bbc报的也属实，只不过是中国官方媒体之前弄错了而已。我找不到官方媒体之前的错误报道，假设bbc一向如实报道，那中国矿难每年到底死多少人？中国官方怎么会把数字弄错整整一个数量级？单凭感觉，10万的确是过分了点。

bbc的第一次报道：

China mining toll 'below 100,000'

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China's State Administration of Work Safety office has said the death toll among coal mine workers fell 15% last year, compared to that of 2007.
The official death toll last year was 91,172, the first time since 1995 that the figure fell below 100,000.
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The death rate in coal mine accidents, per 1 million tonnes of coal produced, dropped 20.4% year-on-year to 1.182, the work safety office added.
Officials said tougher law enforcement and shutting illegal mines had helped.
China's state news agency Xinhua, which reported the new figures, quoted Zhao Tiechui, senior official in charge of coal mine supervision, urging harder work on safety and accident prevention in the coming year.
China closed 1,054 illegal coal mines in 2008, but government figures show that almost 80% of the country's 16,000 mines remain illegal.
While coal production was up 7.5% last year, to about 2.72 billion tonnes, the number of accidents fell significantly, Mr Zhao said.
Last year, illegal mines produced 35% of the nation's coal, but accounted for 73% (21,000) of mining deaths in the industry, he added.

"Coal mines often experience the most serious accidents because so many of them are operating illegally. The industry also sees the most frequent covering-up of accidents," Mr Zhao said.
'Year of Work Safety'
The China Daily reported that the number of traffic accidents, firework accidents and other industrial accidents also fell significantly last year, due to improved supervision.
Announcing the start of a "Year of Work Safety", Luo Lin, head of the administration, said more measures would be launched this year to ensure accident rates continued to fall, the newspaper reported.
But despite the overall decline in accident and fatality numbers, Mr Luo said the number of serious accidents last year was up by more than 35% on 2007.
Almost 3,500 officials were investigated and 425 were arrested last year for negligence in relation to mining accidents, he said.
The scandal linked to the collapse of an iron ore reservoir at a mine in Shanxi province resulted in 34 officials being dismissed, he said.
"Illegal production and cover-ups are still too frequent in the industry, and some local governments and corporations remain ignorant of their responsibilities with regard to work safety," Mr Luo said.

修改过的在同一链接的报道：

China mining toll 'falls' in 2008  

Most of China's 16,000 mines are illegal - and dangerous
China says the number of fatalities from coal mining accidents fell 15% in 2008 compared with the previous year.

China's state news agency Xinhua also reported that the number of accidents fell by 19% to 413,700 last year.

China's State Administration of Work Safety said the death rate in mining accidents was just over 1%. There was no figure for actual number of deaths.

It quoted officials as saying that tougher law enforcement and the closing down of illegal mines had helped.

However, government figures show that almost 80% of the 16,000 mines operating in China are illegal.

Xinhua quoted Zhao Tiechui, senior official in charge of coal mine supervision, urging harder work on safety and accident prevention in the coming year.

"Coal mines often experience the most serious accidents because so many of them are operating illegally. The industry also sees the most frequent covering-up of accidents," Mr Zhao said.

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An earlier report on state media quoted an inaccurate figure of 91,172 deaths in coal mining accidents in 2008.
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'Year of Work Safety'

The China Daily reported that the number of traffic accidents, firework accidents and other industrial accidents also fell significantly last year because of improved supervision.

Announcing a "Year of Work Safety", Luo Lin, head of the work and safety administration, said more measures would be launched to ensure accident rates continued to fall, the newspaper reported.

But despite the overall decline in accident and fatality numbers, Mr Luo was quoted as saying the number of serious accidents last year was up by more than 35% on 2007.

Almost 3,500 officials were investigated and 425 were arrested last year for negligence in relation to mining accidents, he said.

The scandal linked to the collapse of an iron ore reservoir at a mine in Shanxi province resulted in 34 officials being dismissed, he said.

"Illegal production and cover-ups are still too frequent in the industry, and some local governments and corporations remain ignorant of their responsibilities with regard to work safety," Mr Luo said.

链接：http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7855330.stm

今天的另一则报道：

Toll climbs in China mine blast  
  
More than 40 miners have died and dozens remain trapped underground after a gas explosion in a coal mine, Chinese state news agency Xinhua reports.

The blast at the mine in Gujiao City, in Shanxi province, occurred before dawn when 436 miners were underground.

Xinhua said 340 miners had managed to escape, but some had died in hospital and others were badly hurt. Initial reports suggested 11 miners had died.

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China's mining industry is the world's deadliest, with 3,200 deaths last year.
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However, China has said safety is improving, with the number of fatalities from coal mining accidents falling 15% in 2008 compared with the previous year.

Xinhua also reported that the number of accidents had fallen by 19% to 413,700 last year.

The mine involved in the latest incident belongs to the Shanxi Jiaomei Group.

Early reports from Xinhua suggested 96 miners were trapped. It is unclear whether some of those have contributed to the rising death toll.

The Shanxi Jiaomei Group is China's largest producer of coking coal and operates 28 mines, according to the Associated Press news agency.

链接：http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7904122.stm

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这个中国官方也应该是有统计的。

【 在 posteriori (post) 的大作中提到: 】
: 之前我转过一个bbc的报道，说是去年9万多，不到十万因此算是放了卫星。今天bbc上另一则新闻，里面引用的08年矿难死亡人数又变成了3千多。回头去找原来那个报道，发现已经被修改了，10万卫星这个事情没了。另外加了一句：
: ‘An earlier report on state media quoted an inaccurate figure of 91,172 deaths in coal mining accidents in 2008.’
: ...................

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posteriori

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你这是回帖不看帖呀。我问的就是中国官方的统计怎么会前后差一个数量级。根据经验，bbc应该是没问题的，而且人明说了是中国官方前后两次给出的数据不同。

有一种可能，当局先如实给出了近十万的死亡人数，完了某个上级部门看着太扎眼，因此要打回去重来。

更可怕的是，我在网上已经搜索不到之前的‘错误报道’，应该是全部修改或者撤下了。这就有点1984里真理部的味道了。。。


【 在 bridged 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个中国官方也应该是有统计的。
: 【 在 posteriori (post) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 之前我转过一个bbc的报道，说是去年9万多，不到十万因此算是放了卫星。今天bbc上另一则新闻，里面引用的08年矿难死亡人数又变成了3千多。回头去找原来那个报道，发现已经被修改了，10万卫星这个事情没了。另外加了一句：
: (以下引言省略...)

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flyingpku

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记得当年何作秀老先生根据官方公布的数据进行计算，发现中国矿工每百万小时死亡率和美国差不多，得出结论说中国矿难死人多纯粹是因为中国矿工多。单个矿工的情况并没有更差很多。他这种计算在网上引起很大争议。我看了之后，觉得他计算本身没问题，倒是揭露出另外一个更大的问题，就是官方报道的那个矿工死亡数字（本来大家以为已经很高了的那个），其实仅是真实情况的冰山一角。因为以中国矿山的安全状况，绝对不可能达到美国的水平的。我一个贵州的朋友对当地情况的描述符合我的判断：他说他们那里的小煤窑大量雇佣童工，出事死人是经常的。死了人就用草席包起来等家长来领，于是在煤窑附近的路边常看见一具具草席包着的小孩尸体在排着，这些事情从来也没有上报贡献到官方统计数据里去。

【 在 posteriori 的大作中提到: 】
: 你这是回帖不看帖呀。我问的就是中国官方的统计怎么会前后差一个数量级。根据经验，bbc应该是没问题的，而且人明说了是中国官方前后两次给出的数据不同。
: 有一种可能，当局先如实给出了近十万的死亡人数，完了某个上级部门看着太扎眼，因此要打回去重来。
: 更可怕的是，我在网上已经搜索不到之前的‘错误报道’，应该是全部修改或者撤下了。这就有点1984里真理部的
: (以下引言省略...)

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